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Poster: craven714 Date: Jun 25, 2009 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: angry Dead

Whew!! Just finished tdih's 1978. The boys seem rather
pissed off this night. The playing and singing reflect it.
The beat the livin tar out of every song! Has to be the
most angry Dead show I've ever heard. Bobby has some funny
comments along the way including a "get it right!" after
some slightly botched lyrics around the 4:12 mark of Eyes.
Like they ever really got those lines right...

oops~ http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-06-25.sbd.cotsman.7048.sbefail.shnf

Now Im off to do something I rarely do...listen to tdih's
1985. Looks like a good show...wish me luck...

This post was modified by craven714 on 2009-06-25 15:57:33

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 25, 2009 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: angry Dead

This is perhaps the highest-energy show of '78? I wonder if the Dead were upset about something, or if (like some other '78 shows) they were just bombed out of their heads by whatever they took beforehand.

From what I've read, the shows where the Dead were really angry about something that happened in the venue, you can hardly tell from the music itself - 1/14/78, or post-drums 9/2/78, or 11/11/71, are good examples (in those shows, they were bugged by theater security). Or the Stonybrook October '70 shows, when they were really pissed at the student soundcrew - at times like these, the music's kind of flat & desultory or rushed, but not really "angry".
I think the best moment of Dead-anger I've heard is the 10/23/73 Casey Jones when Phil stops everything to yell at security.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-10-23.sbd.partial.goetz.18899.sbeok.shnf
Then there are times in the fall '72 shows, like the 11/18/72 Playing in the Band, where things certainly seem tense, but it's probably just the music.

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2009-06-26 02:11:53

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jun 26, 2009 12:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: angry Dead

During the 3/21/70 late show things get ugly too. Bob suggests everyone "turn to your neighbor and insult him as worse as you possibly can" and Jerry tells the trouble makers in the audience to "take it easy out there you unruly pigs" before the acoustic set as the audience gets a bit crazy. The cries of "SIT DOWN! SHUT UP! are heard periodically. The band turns in a great performance in spite of it. Jerry is even heard to mutter "shut the fuck up!" at one point. After all the hassles of the acoustic set the band proceeds to deliver a furious, blistering electric set as if daring the crowd to drown them out again! Even road manager Sam Cutler comes out before the encore and has to remark: "Incredible! An incredible, incredible set by The Grateful Dead!"

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-03-21.late.aud.lee.pcrp.21779.shnf

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2009-06-26 07:23:09

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jun 25, 2009 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: angry Dead

thx LIA~ I will have to check those out tomorrow.
Always nice to see ya around!

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Poster: wineland Date: Jun 25, 2009 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: angry Dead

They were probably p!ssed off because Eddie Money was on the bill with them that night.

06-25-78 Autzen Stadium, U. of Oregon, Eugene, Or. (Sun)
1: Promised, TLEO, Me & My Uncle> Big River, Candyman, Passenger, Peggy-O, Minglewood
2: Samson, FOTD, Estimated> Eyes> Drumz*> NFA> GDTRFB> Around E: U. S. Blues
*with Ken Babbs billing: GD; Santana; The Outlaws; Eddie Money

A great quote from the Taping Compendium by Kelly McIver, "With a completely ballistic Goin' Down the Road as the peak, this trio (NFA>GDTRFB>Around) will leave you breathless. It's a wonder the band didn't just explode onstage."

Sh-sh-sh-sh-sh she was shakin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA1wDgPZCDA

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 25, 2009 10:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: angry Dead

Oh god, Eddie Money? Who came up with that billing?

I've personally always wondered what was up with Phil at the end of Doin' That Rag from 2/21/69. The one where out of the acapella ending he yells "you motherfucker! HEY!" Very jarring and slightly disturbing.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 26, 2009 2:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: the crowded Dead-stage

A mysterious outcry from Phil - it reminds me, the Dead were not alone on the stage up to about '72....all kinds of people could be wandering around, or hanging out on the amps, as you see in the Veneta '72 video....I think it was the 9/30/72 show where some topless lady was said to be dancing on stage with them? And there are other shows where you can hear random guys ranting into the mike, for instance 6/7/70 (in Cryptical), or 12/29/69 (in Good Lovin'), or 3/8/70 (in Not Fade Away), or Woodstock '69 (Lovelight of course), etc. etc.
Those were definitely not the "take a step back" days!

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 26, 2009 2:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the crowded Dead-stage

I once heard it said that the guy in the Cryptical reprise on 6/7/70 was Robert Hunter, but I never believed that. Then of course there is the ranting woman in the beginning... To this day I wonder if we'll ever figure out who did the "walkin the same, long mile" rap in the Caution from 11/8/69.

I am unaware of the examples of people grabbing mics from 12/29/69 and 3/8/70. I have those shows but don't recall anything. I'll have to go back and listen now.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 26, 2009 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the crowded Dead-stage

The 11/8/69 guy is a mystery....a poet in the roadcrew?
12/29/69 is just a freak in the audience - 3/8/70 apparently was too, or maybe he was a "guest" of the band's, either way they let him take over for quite some time, check the debate in the reviews:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-03-08.sbd.9195.sbeok.shnf

As far as guests, this guy's the worst - Wayne Ceballos sang the Lovelight on 6/8/69 - and there's the unknown babbler on the 8/23/69 Lovelight - then there's the madness of the 7/12/69 Lovelight.
Of course the Dead were probably glad to see Ken Babbs onstage at Woodstock (he also does some chatter at the 5/31/69 show) - if we're discussing "angry Dead", the Woodstock show is definitely one occasion where they were upset & alarmed by all the equipment troubles!

Occasionally in '69 the Dead had actual musical guests too (Elvin Bishop 6/6+8/69, Ron Hawkins 6/13/69, Charles Lloyd 8/21/69, Peter Green 2/1/70, possibly Gregg Allman 7/7/69, the Santana drummers 5/29/69, and the sax & violin players on 8/3/69).

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Jun 27, 2009 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the crowded Dead-stage

i wonder how many people got wrangled by ramrod and steve parish.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 26, 2009 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the crowded Dead-stage

" or Woodstock '69 (Lovelight of course), etc. etc.
"

but that was Ken Babbs. I'm sure him and Kesey had free rein being that they went back to the acid tests

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Poster: ChinaMoggy Date: Jun 26, 2009 4:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: angry Dead

I always think that the Phil mf yell at the Dream Bowl is a possible short sharp nip from an electronic mouse; the false start and another "hey" at the beginning of the following Dark Star suggests something buzzing and fizzing.

One of my favourite shows btw.